I'm 64 for another few weeks. I did something for the first time in my life.
A friend wrote me a long email and asked me about the situation. I said nothing about it. I didn't wish to add to it. I danced around it.
Then she called me and told me the story again and said don't you think she is wrong? Long pause as I thought what to say. No, I didn't think Sara was wrong, I thought my friend was wrong. 100% wrong.
But until she wrote to me again via email I said nothing. I just bobbed and weaved.
In the last email I said my peace.
I've never done that before. I felt bad but...
Now I have known this woman since April 1987. She moved to Cleveland from San Francisco for her job. She was from the east coast so she was happy to get closer to home.
I moved to Cleveland from little ole Erie PA for same job.
We worked out of the same office but we were only in the office on Mondays.
The rest of the week we were in our territories. I had the east side and some south. She had the west side and some southern areas.
On Mondays, we'd go to a fun place after work that was next to our office and we'd have drinks and dinner, normally nacho's for dinner.
I learned she was married 2 times. She was 31 at the time.
I was fascinated that she was already married twice. I learned over time that she never wants to have a job just do whatever she wants to do so she does what she barely has to at her job leaving her time for her fun activities like horse back riding, art/painting etc. She would brag about this to me. I normally just laughed it off.
Her first marriage was at 19. He lived on a boat. But the life on the boat wasn't what she wanted after a while. She wanted a house which caused them to fight a lot she told me She said she was trying to change him and she got frustrated and got divorced. Then her 2nd marriage where her husband and she fought over what he called her laziness. She calls it her need to be free and to express herself in art and other utter bullshit.
At this point, I didn't even know she liked art let alone did anything artistic.
Now she was telling me about a guy in San Francisco that she began to date prior to moving to Cleveland. They drove across the country together to get her to Cleveland with all of her belongings. (I'd have flown since we could fly for free and the company paid for our things to be shipped! Again she was smooth in why and how she got him to do this.)
She thought it would be romantic and she was hoping he would move to Cleveland for his job so they could be together. She told me she was putting pressure on him to see this was what needed to be done.
She told me he would come around.
I met him several times and he was nice enough but a weak spineless man. He was a mechanic for an airline. I wasn't impressed with him as a person and really thought she would lose interest while they were far away. He was nice enough to me and Rick but I didn't see why she was doing this. She didn't appear to love him. Now I realize she could get him to do anything she wanted and he would fold. She wins and that is the end goal.
But as time went on I saw her work ethic. Our boss would ask me to pick up her slack and one day I told my boss that doing this from time to time was one thing but now you have me doing a lot of her work as well as all of mine. I felt I should then be paid for it.
Oh, I shouldn't have done that. It became an issue because now our boss wanted to fire her. Now i felt terrible. I just wanted to not do her work, not get her fired.
I tried to encourage J without telling her what I knew. I helped her every damn day, but looking back I wasn't helping her at all.
I was trying to save her job that she didn't give a shit about.
I enjoyed my time with J.but working with her wasn't all that great.
When we held a training class for our customers on our software training she never did what needed to be done and her clients would call me.
I always had to teach the class while she filed her nails. I did all the prep work and making of handouts. I did it all. She showed up in expensive clothing always looking smart but didn't do any of the work.
So while I had fun with her outside of work, working with her was a challenge for me.
As I lived there I was making friends. I was joining classes to meet people.
I knew no one there so as I made friends I did see her less. I told her about me joining a cross country ski group because I loved to CC ski. She laughed at me. But I made friends who are still my friends today. She also was concerned about my dating life. I told her it was not a priority, when it happens it happens. I was not looking to get married. She actually said, "You want to work your whole life?"
Ah, I love my career and hope to move up and do more!
Then work began putting pressure on her to do her job alone. No more asking me to do things for her customers. I kind of thought they were trying to get rid of her and put all these new directives in front of both of us. She was failing and she would call me and bitch about the job and how she hated it and was hoping to get married and not have to work.
How 1950's of her. As if being a stay at home mom and wife is not work. But more on that later.
Then one day she told me that her boyfriend, G., was moving to Virginia for his job. He would be working at Dulles airport. She begged him to marry her so she could leave her job.
Next thing I know she is leaving her job. She basically told them to F-off and walked out. She took her airline pension and began packing up her condo. She invited me over while G was there helping her pack.
She was upstairs when he grabbed me and took me to the kitchen.
He said, "I do not wish to be married to J!!!! You have got to talk her out of this. Please help me."
I told him he should be telling HER this, NOT me. I will not tell her this but you must! He said she doesn't hear me. I told him to say it until she does.
He did not tell her until about 30 years later. She would say things and not even hear the horrible mean responses he'd say to her as I stood there and listened. I felt like I was being punked. Why is she doing this?
Why is he doing this if he doesn't want to? Speak up!
Before I left only she and I were outside by my car. I told her I wished her the best, but you know you don't have to get married. Go live in VA with him and see how this plays out. Nope, she says, "we'll be married before we get there". I drove back to my place and asked myself should I have said something? Did I do the right thing? She was 32 or 33 by this point so who am I to tell her what to do with her life? But was I being a friend by being silent? I don't know. They married at a justice of the peace somewhere between San Fran and Virginia.
She and I kept in touch and she was loving VA. She had her horses at her home and acreage. She was doing what she wanted - nothing. No kids, no job, just her art and horses. She was asked by someone about some of her art to sell. But she never did because she had to get her shit together to do so. It was "too much work" to do all that she would tell me. Again I just nodded and sometimes asked about all this work and could I help her?
But otherwise, I kept my comments to myself. She was lazy and boy I could see it now for certain.
When we moved near them we saw them frequently before they had kids.
Once we were invited out for a BBQ. It is now evening and Rick and I are sitting next to one another on these chaise lounge chairs on their patio. We were holding hands. J. came outside and said, "oh my gosh you still hold hands? I can barely look at G. let alone hold his hand?"
Who the hell says that about their spouse who is sitting right there?
We didn't respond. I got up to get another margarita and as I walked by her husband in his chair she smacked him upside the head and said, "Get the hell out of this chair I was sitting here first" And one of their fights begin.
But he does. Oh, Rick would never tolerate that nor would I. Do not hit!
Rick looks over at me and we decide to leave after this. G. says, Oh don't leave we're like this all the time. As if that was going to make us feel comfortable.
Then a few weeks later she calls me to tell me she is having a baby.
I was shocked. G. Always said he didn't want children. Oh boy.
FF to this child be around. A cute kid. A smart kid. J. idolized this kid.
She gave him everything but discipline. She told him constantly that he was smarter than everyone especially his father. (how awful is that?)
As he grew up she leaned on him like she should her spouse. She confided in him things she shouldn't have like his father was a weak man who wasn't very smart. I heard it all and saw it all. She used him as a serogate spouse. It was sickening and as the young man got older I saw he was uncomfortable with it.
Then one day she asks me if Rick liked being an only child.
I said he knows nothing else but you'd have to ask him. So she did.
Rick said I would have like a sibling so I wasn't blamed for everything but otherwise I was fine. She laughed and said, G doesn't want another child but he has to see that an only child will grow up unhappy and miss out and long for siblings. I recall saying something to the effect of, "Did you not hear Rick?"
Then one day G stops over after work for a beer with Rick and he moans about having another kid when he didn't want the first one. Rick as I've shared doesn't not filter anything. He tells G. then don't have one, you have a say in this. G. said then she won't put out if I say no. Who the hell thinks like these two? They exhausted me.
Once at the lake house they were renting a home nearby and stopped by our home. Their 2 boys now in tow. She asked how the hell could we afford two homes? Wow.
Her husband jumped in and answered her - They BOTH WORK.
She said well if you are telling me again that I have to get a job then just stop it right now. A fight ensued and we took the boys up to the house. (we were hanging at the dock)
I knew they were having financial trouble because J. talked about it constantly saying he doesn't make enough. I was so bold one day I suggested she do something part-time it may take the strain off them. She laughed at me. So I could never understand how she wouldn't get a part-time gig or something. Do they like to fight all the time? You could see no love between them at all. Certainly no respect. It was sad to me.
If you went to their home it was always in disarray. Almost a hoarder.
She would tell me G would come home angry that the house was a mess and no dinner etc. Her house being a mess is an understatement. You couldn't see her dining room table. There were TV trays lined up on walls with papers and junk piled high on them all. If you wanted to sit anywhere you had to move things. Yet she was always impeccably dressed and coiffured. It was odd to me. But I just knew it as J. so it just was what it was.
We saw awful fights between her and her husband and we saw a sickening relationship building with J and her first son.
Once when we left Rick asked me." do you think J. is treating her son as her husband or lover?" Oh yes, I did indeed. We both saw it. And she would tell us these stories that made me sick. Why do you tell your 14 yr old son his father is a loser, a bad provider, a dumb man, and confide in him how unhappy she is, etc?
Fast forward to an ugly divorce. He finally grew a backbone and walked away. He also cheated on her. She didn't care, it was like, so what I have the house I want, in the place I want, I have my kids and horses and I don't have to work 9-5p. That was her logic. The divorce was incredibly ugly. She would have stayed married to keep her stuff and a roof over her head but he finally got fed up with her. She'd call me all the time to bitch.
She no longer did anything. She never wanted to go do things with me only her son. It was a bit off-putting to watch. This boy was smart, a nice kid, but he made a few comments at times that he knew what his mom was doing and it bothered him.
After graduating college he got a great job in Wisconsin. He moved.
She took to her bed. How could he do this to her? She needed him there with her. She could still fly for free so she would visit him a couple times a month. But she was always the victim.
Another thing I did not mention is that if she was sad or depressed she felt everyone owed her comfort and telling her she was right they were wrong and to commiserate with her. I couldn't do that. I would tell her I was sorry she was going through this. I'd invite her to do things. But she wanted my sympathy and me to stay with her even if it was so inconvenient to me. Once she said, oh c'mon I need people to help me you can change your appointment. I couldn't give her what she needed because I felt she made this situation. But I never said that. I just began to pull away. I didn't like her drama or her that much anymore. Besides when I was dealing with things she neither asked, cared about or offered any help. I was seeing how one-sided this was. (which rick always saw)
So what does J do as soon as she gets her money from the divorce?
She moves to Wisconsin. She stays with her son in his new home for a while and then buys a townhouse for herself in cash from her divorce payout. Every time I saw something on facebook or she talked to me it was herself hanging out with her son, his girlfriend, and his friends. She was with them every weekend. I even was so bold as to ask, 'Don't he and his friends get a bit tired of Mom hanging around?" She told me no, they love me, they think I'm great. She invited herself along with 8 boys to the house they rented at a lake.
I sincerely doubted that the guys were thrilled mom tagged along.
He was only in his 20s for Pete's sake. But like all the men in her life she would bulldoze them and get what she wanted every single time.
Yet she was perpetually unhappy.
Her mom got dementia so she lived with her and bitched about having to care for her. That angered me. I said she took care of you for 18 yrs you can do this for 1 or two. She said, "wait until you have to"
I'd give my right arm for my mom to be in my life but I said nothing more. For her birthday I got a spa treatment she loves, telling her it was a caregiver treat. Her mom died in less than a year.
Then unexpectedly her brother was found dead in his home about 5 months later. He was her younger brother. Then her older brother had a stroke and died. She had a lot of death at once in 1.5 years.
This year the girlfriend of her son had some words with her about spending all their trips and weekends with them. That offended her so she had to tell me how awful that was. How rude of this girl to not understand her place.
Then this year on Christmas she was angry that her son was spending Christmas Even with his girlfriend's family when she was a bit depressed and he should be spending it with her.
I am certain her son couldn't say it so the girlfriend told her that they made plans with her family and they would see her on Christmas Day. J. told her that her son has always spent Christmas Eve with her and she needs him now because she is depressed and alone. They should be putting her needs first because she is his mother. Apparently, this young woman told J that they will soon be married and that they will spend holidays with her family AND his but she can't expect everything to be about her. (oooh!)
The girlfriend stood her ground. J. was livid!!
She asked me what I thought. I said what I thought. That seeing them on Christmas day was a good compromise.
I tried to remind her that she has parents too and they wish to see both of them just like she does. She was angry at me now. J. does not compromise. She always would tell me that I can't understand because Rick and I get along so well. Well first of all I didn't make him marry me. I wouldn't wish to be with someone like that. We talk, we share, we laugh, we fight and we compromise, nothing is perfect. She always blames everyone else for her issues. Even quitting her job was someone else's fault, never hers.
So what did I tell her?
I told her that she needed to make 2021 the year of J.
To get out there and sell her art, to join an organization to meet people closer in age who have a lot of the same interests. To make friends.
I told her she keeps following her son, it's his time to soar. It's his life now that is just beginning. You raised him to be an independent man and now you don't want him to leave you. Would you have loved your mom living on the boat with you when you were his age?
I went on to say that if you allow him to miss you, they will call and say let's get together.
Maybe you should try having a Sunday fun day with them. Make it a ritual. Invite them over for Sunday brunch to get caught up. Make it weekly or bi-weekly. But you don't allow him to miss you. You invite yourself as you've told me to their parties on his boat and you are with him every weekend. You call him daily or just stop by during the week. They need to miss you J.
You are with them in some way or at their home every darn day.
It's time he and his soon to be wife build their life alone. You need to be there for them but you need to be there for you too. You need to understand that she has a family too and it's not just about you. She didn't wish to leave you alone as you say on Christmas Eve, but they were going to be with her family. They would see you the next day. Her response was, "No they should know I am depressed and I have had a bad year. It should be him taking care of me! They should want to. I am the one alone"
I again asked how she would have felt if her mother-in-law wanted her and G to be with her during the week and spend every vacation and weekend with them. She just said, "Oh God! But I'm different. I'm the fun mom.
(oh brother!)
I told her she needed to build a new life. This was such a great opportunity for her last chapter. She loves to tell you how great she looks (and she does, she looks at least a decade younger) She loves to tell me about her exercising and brilliant cooking. I mentioned a running club because she loves to run. That could still be possible during covid. So I told her to do all those things you may find something you want to do more of or meet new friends or even a boyfriend.
You need to build your new life. 2021 can be your badass year. I know you have it in you to do this.
Well, that made her mad apparently. I haven't heard from her since responding to her email.
I get it and I knew it would happen when I wrote it if I'm being honest.
I probably shouldn't have said anything but you know what? I don't care.
For far too long I have wanted this "friendship" to not be one-sided or only one of us checking in on the other. It was never her. So I have been slowly pulling away over the years. Fewer calls, less contact. Now I know there will be no more contact. And I have found I'm okay with that. I'm older and just don't need the drama or the chaos. Or pretend friends.
Sometimes when I was at her home it was so filled with tension, anger, and clutter I felt awful being there. Once we were invited for dinner. They fought at the dinner table with the kids there, they fought while I was helping her clean up. They were loud, ugly, and said really mean things to one another. He would always bring up their sex life and Rick actually told him it was none of our business so you don't have to share that shit G.
G. laughed but got the hint.
The disrespect between them was so ugly.
I could never stay with a person who talked to me like he did to her and I said as much to Rick. He said, well if you spoke to me like she does him or you were not an equal partner I wouldn't be around either.
That was the last time both Rick and I were there together.
When we got in the car Rick said, I don't wish to see them anymore, you can do whatever you wish to but I can't, they are toxic. They make their own mess and they don't see that. She says out loud she hates him, he responds in kind. So why are they together. She wants his money and he has no spine. They keep doing the same thing expecting one of them to change and they both have their feet stuck in the ground. It's uncomfortable and they both deserve what they are getting. Rick never saw them after that.
It appears I won't see her again either.
I took her to lunch at an awesome resort for her birthday 2yrs ago. We had a nice lunch and shared some wine. She always wanted to go there. As my husband pointed out, did you even get a call on your birthday?
Here we are in the barns at this Inn - This is us as I said 2 years ago -hence the brown hair on me. :-)
I thought I'd feel sadder, I am a bit surprised that I feel lighter. But there is the little part of me that thinks I should have kept it all to myself even though she asked me 3 times. Oh well, too late now isn't it?
And yes I look tired and awful in this pic as usual.